Great minds think alike, I arrived at $11,000 today as well, although I was going to forego the cut and buff at this price. Might as well ask for it, can always use it as a negotiating point I found a marine surveyor today who works out of Pittsburgh and covers Deep Creek Lake, still waiting for a call back from a second guy but the first one seemed like he would work out fine. $20/foot plus a $70 trip charge. Sending the offer via email now. Not sure what to expect, I got the impression that any offer was a good offer, but this is a good 30-35% lower than asking price. Will see tomorrow I guess. We have family in ABQ so I have been looking at transportation to Amarillo, TX rather than Phoenix, we could use the delivery as an excuse to visit family and Amarillo is an easy day trip from ABQ. That'll shave almost 750 miles off the delivery, and seems like it will cut $500-600 off the price based some of the initial bids I'm getting. I got an estimate of $1000-2000 to Amarillo from uship, haven't created an actual listing yet though. To be continued...
Got an email back this morning, they accepted the offer Working out a few minor details, have a survey scheduled for Tuesday. Crossing fingers for a successful survey! @Muggsy, when you had your boat transported, who did you use? Did you find someone on uShip, or use some other transport company?
Congrats! I'm sure the survey will be OK. There will be some minor issues. It sounds like this boat was neglected but not abused. Whatever comes up in the survey will be a point for negotiation. If it's minor you might just shine it on and accept the boat. If there is something major that is going to cost, ask for the seller to correct. If they are unwilling you can reject the boat and start over but the seller will now have to disclose the issues to the next buyer as it was discovered in survey. they might as well fix it for you as you are a serious buyer. Or just ask for the cost of that repair to come off the purchase price and repair it yourself. I think you've gotten a good deal....considering I haven't actually seen it. I used U-Ship. When you post your request it goes up for bid and I heard from about 6 guys willing to make the tow. Went to a guy with a Dodge 3500 Crew Cab and the Cummins Diesel. He basically just cris-crosses doing these tows sleeping in the back seat. Kind of like Gypsies....but he picked it up on a Saturday and delivered on a Tuesday....2300 miles. I was pretty happy with the process. I have a full cover for my boat and I had it all strapped down. I also had U-Ship transport my car. I learned about U-Ship on the Sea Ray Forum that I am a member of. When you get a bid from someone you can read the feedback on them just like eBay. There was a couple of guys who had less than acceptable feedback and I did not consider them. You can also go to U-Ship's site and look at feedback there as well. Do the research, you'll be OK.
Congrats! Fingers crossed for a successful survey but if something pops we'll be here to help. @Muggsy -- great advice you've giving!
Thanks Ron. I've been around long enough and bought my first boat at 15....52 years ago and I've had a few since. If my experience and advice is beneficial then my time was well spent. Only wish I had had someone to guide me years ago. Shawn
You guys have been a great help so far Of course, it seems that I may have popped the champagne cork prematurely. The deal we made is for the boat from the seller and the trailer from Bill's Marine. Sales Hack called this afternoon to tell me there's a problem with the trailer, the brakes are completely inop. Then he tells me that it would be cheaper to buy a new trailer than to fix the brakes. Wtf?? I asked him to run the trailer through his service dept to find out exactly how much it would cost, I can't see it being more than $700-800 to completely replace the entire brake system?? No trailer makes it prohibitively difficult to get the boat to AZ. Anyway, I sent him an email this afternoon that our deal was for a boat and a working trailer for $11,000. If he can't find a way to make that work, I'll have to keep looking. I sent it near 5pm his time, so no response this afternoon. I guess we'll see tomorrow if we actually have a deal. If you guys were in my position, would you stick to the original deal, or be willing to negotiate a bit more?
Btw I posted a uship bid a little while before learning about the trailer problems, already got a bid for $1150 from a 5 star shipper. So looks that I might have transportation figured out for a boat that I may or may not be buying
Good luck... frustrating but stick to your guns. As you said, the deal was for the boat and a working trailer.
I agree with Ron, stick to your guns. And remember, you are not buying the trailer....the sellers are. Down here on the Gulf Coast I can but a new trailer for that boat for about $2500. If it's going to mean the sellers move the boat for $10k rather than $11k that's too bad. $1500 for a trailer that size in operating condition is a good deal, with no brakes its worth about $700 bucks. After I got my boat here I took it in to a local trailer shop and and did new actuator, brake lines, drums, shoes, wheel cylinders and turned the drums. Cost was $750. They want to move this boat. They'll make the deal.
Sales guy came back with a hard no on fixing the trailer this morning. I checked with the shipper who's given me a good bid on uship and he's willing to tow without trailer brakes. Called sales guy, he was with a client. Left message for him regarding shipper's willingness, asked him to call and discuss options almost 3 hours ago, no call back yet. At this point I'm wondering if the whole trailer thing is an excuse for him to back out of the deal. I'm done trying to contact him, he may call back still but otherwise it seems that the search continues.
Wow. Those are some red flags. What about the survey? Did you cancel it? There's no way anyone should tow a boat that size and weight without trailer brakes. That's an accident waiting to happen. If the seller is serious, get a quote to repair the trailer and offer to split it. If he won't go for that then it's time to walk. Rob
This deal got weird fast, everything with the trailer from the beginning hasn't made sense, from the problem itself to his responses and lack of willingness to help problem-solve. I'm giving up on this one, doesn't feel good any more. There will be another.
Remember what I said a coupe of posts ago....for every one I didn't get I got something better. Hang in there.
You likely did the right thing. I concur, there will be other boats that become available. Patience is a plus when buying a boat.
Sales guy ended up calling me back, our conversation helped to set my mind at ease about this deal. I think he's either just too busy or a bad communicator. Either way, I decided I don't want to lose this deal over a set of trailer brakes. So...call me crazy... I'm flying up to Pittsburgh Saturday. I'm renting a uHaul pickup and driving down to Deep Creek Lake. Inspecting the boat Sunday morning. If all goes well, I'll complete the purchase for the boat and trailer. I ordered a complete brake kit from etrailer.com for < $500 and shipping it to my hotel in MD. It's the same brake setup that's already on the trailer, so I'm optimistic that will be mostly a bolt-on swap. I'm flying Southwest where bags fly free, so I'll be accompanied by 100lbs of my favorite tools. Going to replace the brakes myself in his parking lot. I'll have the uHaul pickup so I can drag the trailer around with me where I need to. I'll have all day Monday and the first part of Tuesday morning to work on the trailer, then drive back to PIT for my flight home Tuesday evening. Boat and trailer will stay with the dealer until I get someone over to pick it up. Currently waiting for ETA on cut and polish so I can schedule transport. I was initially trying to avoid a trip up there but we have plenty of miles so the tickets were cheap. The uHaul pickup isn't much more than an economy car. Found a good rate on a nearby hotel. The weather is nicer in MD than Phoenix. Should be an adventure.
Awesome. Sometimes things just aren't easy but eventually they work out. My last name is Murphy (really) and nothing is ever easy.
That's a good move on your part because you get to inspect the boat in person yourself. If you don't like what you see, then the cost to inspect in person is worth it. Also, it's less than the cost and headache of buying a boat that needs more work than you were expecting. If you don't buy the boat, the brake kit can be returned. Good luck! Let us know how it goes and be sure to take some pics and post them here.
Also, totally random and weird thing. I was browsing Google image search for teal 252s to see what they look like in the sun, and my dad's boat that he sold in 2012 popped up in the search results from the buyer's uship ad. My dad passed away 2 years ago, brought back some good memories seeing this http://www.uship.com/shipment/1998-Cobalt-252-Bowrider/59355068/
...and ready for some trailer repair. Meeting at 9am tomorrow to check out the boat, hope it goes ok, this is a lot of stuff to get together to come home empty handed!
Thanks guys! Will check in again tomorrow morning with the verdict. Now it's happy juice time, cheers from the Green Turtle sports bar in McHenry, MD